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| | | (1) Posted by Hauke Reddmann [Saturday, Aug 24, 2024 10:31] | V. Shavyrin, #4, Schwalbe 2019, 1.Prize
 (= 9+11 )
We looked at this problem yesterday in Kiel.
+ elegance of play, including
+ the optical analogy of the S moves
+ full #4 threat
- the offside Be8
- the simplistic strategy: White just uses a Grimshaw,
the black pieces run into a deadly pin after the K flight
1.Prize in the Schwalbe Informal...no objection, your honor Sven, I neither am
an expert for moremovers nor looked up the competition.* "Diesen exzellenten Vierzüger
werden wir sicherlich im FIDE-Album wiedersehen." he wrote. So true:
A little bird tweeted me 4+4+3, best n# in the upcoming FIDE Album. What the...
The plusses of this problem totally lie on the surface. Has deep strategy in n#
become out of fashion? Please convince an old twomover guy of the merits
of this problem. (Maybe the judges are online here too :-)
* https://dieschwalbe.de/download/preisberichte/WEB_pb_mehrzueger_2019.pdf
| | | (2) Posted by shankar ram [Saturday, Aug 24, 2024 11:53] |
Sometimes #3s and #4s with matching solutions give the impression of a very harmonious 2(or 4 or 6) solution helpmate. A recent example was the 1st place winner in the #3 section of the last WCCT.
This #4 is similar. After the key, it plays like a h#3 2.1.1.1.1.1, with ODT, WS "magnet" moves, Grimshaw, line opening and long range WQ pin mates.
And, obviously, catches the fancy of judges. The helpmate harmony paradigm in non-helpmate genres is currently fashionable.
| | | (3) Posted by Neal Turner [Sunday, Aug 25, 2024 14:35] |
This has the makings of an interesting thread.
Shankar's analysis is fascinating - I'm no more-move specialist, so this idea of helpmate analogy in direct mates seems to be very attractive, requiring great technique from the composer.
Maybe Hauke could present us with a problem showing the type "deep strategy in n#" which he considers to be missing from this example.
| | | (4) Posted by Nikola Predrag [Sunday, Aug 25, 2024 19:14] |
But there are the different views about the 'harmony'. The relevance of a pin after W3 is not the same in h#n and #n.
| | | (5) Posted by Joose Norri [Monday, Aug 26, 2024 01:46] |
About the helpmate-like harmony:
Vukcevich in My Chess Compositions writes about the Zugzwang https://www.yacpdb.org/#262431 and the same in threat form https://www.yacpdb.org/#312621 that he didn't like "that one of the thematic variations is a threat, but my good friend, Marjan Kovacevic, preferred this version (...) because of its tactical variety." In MatPlus 12/1996 he had written "and the strategic content of the [variations] was not the same. Nowadays we are all spoiled by the helpmate taste to make all the content from different solutions completely symmetric! Anyway, I continued searching until I got a position with complete harmony (...)"
| | | (6) Posted by Nikola Petković [Tuesday, Sep 3, 2024 12:28] |
I find this problem beautiful. If I ever turn to compose moremovers, I'd be most likely trying to compose something along these lines (pair of analogous variations).
| | | (7) Posted by Hauke Reddmann [Monday, Sep 9, 2024 10:19] |
@Neal Turner:
Just for fun, here is another problem: same author, same stipulation.
In yesterday's solving championship of Schleswig-Holstein,
it drove everybody mad. NONE got ANY points, including me
(I wrote down the correct key, since my instincts are top notch -
but as well as anyone else I couldn't see the satanic threat).
 (= 7+11 )
V. Shavyrin, Problemblad 2000, #4
I say this is a nice example of "deep", and harmony (the double
sacrifice in threat and one play are analogous) is also present.
Didn't get any honors, though.
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