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MatPlus.Net Forum General WCSC, ECSC Rules - Article 10.1
 
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(1) Posted by Miodrag Mladenović [Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 13:03]; edited by Miodrag Mladenović [12-12-15]

WCSC, ECSC Rules - Article 10.1


I think that WCSC, ECSC rules should be updated. Currently there is an article:

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10.1. During the solving a solver may leave the solving room only with a permission of the Director and accompanied by a controller.


With today's technology I do not think that it's OK that anyone goes out of the room and back during the competition. Actually everyone can be seated down for hour an half without a toilet or other breaks. Otherwise if toilet breaks are allowed someone can use mobile phone with an Internet access and solve all problems very easily over the Internet. I think that there are several reasons why the breaks should be banned:

1) When someone stands up and walks nearby other solvers it is interruption for other solvers
2) The solver can see solutions from the sheet of other solvers and then later on just to write solution
3) If someone goes to the toilet he/she can solve problems over the Internet or using some other small devices.

Last year when I was participating in ISC I was unlucky to seat next to the toilet room. Every couple of minutes somebody was going to the toiled and it was a big interruption for me. I did make very bad result (I do not remember when I was solving so bad) and I am absolutely sure that my seating position had to do something with a result. If toilet breaks were not allowed I would be in better position because nobody would interrupt me during the solving.

I think that this article should be updated and all breaks should be forbidden during the rated solving events. As soon someone stands up it should be considered like he ended solving and he should be not allowed to write any more moves to the paper. Sometimes the space between solvers is just 30-50cm. So it's enough for someone to stand up and see solving sheet of other solvers.

I am wondering what other solvers thinks about my proposal.
 
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(2) Posted by seetharaman kalyan [Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 13:13]

I have never participated in such an event. If each session is only for one and half hours, surely there is no need for toilet breaks.

I see many photos of sessions of International Solving tournaments. Many times, solvers share tables, if it is long enough. Even this should be avoided by having separate tables with enough space or mini-partitions covering the board for the other solvers sitting nearby.
 
 
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(3) Posted by Sarah Hornecker [Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 03:33]

Gentlemen,

I don't think the article should be changed. The controller should be able to ensure that the competition is held fairly. If someone is caught cheating, his reputation loss will probably mean he never can participate in any event again, even if the actual penalty would be only a few years. If it would be cheated for money, this is a criminal act. This might on an international tournament mean that there is a danger the suspect travels home, i.e. he would go to pretrial custody. This is a risk no sane person would put on himself.

I believe that someone, if he is to cheat, must use books or electronical devices. In my opinion it would not be an issue to enforce people to forbid bringing them to an event, or - if they must be brought - to hand them out before the round.

The other issues are about bad venues. This is understandably regrettable. In a perfect world nobody would need to go to toilet, sure. But if I play chess, it is not uncommon for me to go to toilet once or twice during the four hour game, often after around an hour when I had my first (for example) bottle of water.

I find the pressure to be very annoying and surely nothing I can concentrate with. I think at the move before going to toilet there is a high chance of making a mistake - maybe just a positional slip, enough to let the opponent get the advantage. In a solving competition, being unable to concentrate for 30 to 45 minutes is definitely worse than sacrificing five minutes to go to toilet.

You make a point about noise. This is a good point indeed. Maybe there can be made regulations on this, i.e. participants must walk as silently as possible. They would not be allowed to wear "loud" shoes, etc.

But I only was once on a German solving competition (not as participant) and - my apologies - it is very boring to watch it. I surely felt bad about opening the doors to go out, but stayed in another room afterwards to not disturb solvers more. So I can't say if there were many such issues. After the competition world champion Piotr Murdzia agreed to give an interview for the Schwalbe, though. It was a very pleasant experience to have dinner with the solvers on Saturday and drive home per train on Sunday, where - I won't say names - a famous solving master who traveled in the same direction tried to solve a fairy riddle but thought about the wrong stipulation (I think it was a retractor and he thought s# instead # or vice versa). Exhaustion?
 
   
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(4) Posted by Ian Shanahan [Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 04:19]

"As soon someone stands up it should be considered like he ended solving and he should be not allowed to write any more moves to the paper."

I agree with everything else Misha has written, apart from the sentence quoted above. It is quite possible a solver with certain medical conditions may need to stand up 'to stretch their legs'. So I believe this is going too far. Again, medical conditions - particularly for those at or beyond middle age! - may necessitate a solver requiring one or more toilet breaks. Yes, this potentially introduces an opportunity to cheat via the internet, but I concur with Siegfried on this point: mobile devices could be handed over before the competetion starts.
 
 
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(5) Posted by Kevin Begley [Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 04:21]

Excellent points, Siegfried.

Having never considered the matter, I found particularly interesting your perspective, from having observed a live solving tourney.
Whereas polite observation of chess tourneys is generally fine, it is easy to appreciate that, for solvers (essentially all playing the same position), this might seem a considerably more disturbing intrusion.

Until I read your post, I had only imagined observing a solving contest from the perspective of a failing contestant. :)
 
   
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(6) Posted by Hauke Reddmann [Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 18:12]

To get an overview about the OTB version of the same problem,
google "Bindrich" should suffice...

Hauke
 
 
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