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| | | (1) Posted by Steven Dowd [Thursday, Nov 19, 2009 16:58] | décloue indirectement
A certain program's site translates this as "indirect unpin".
However, this is not a term I can find in the English language literature I possess. That of course, means little.
However I wonder if this is not actually the term for "interference unpin" or is that something different?
As always, I don't mind showing my ignorance so long as I learn something. :) (Which hopefully is not to keep quiet).
| | | (2) Posted by Ian Shanahan [Thursday, Nov 19, 2009 17:32]; edited by Ian Shanahan [09-11-19] |
Although I can't answer you with 100% certainty, Steven, perhaps it means anticipatory unpin? Where did you encounter the French terminology originally (that 'unnameable' program's site? ;-) )? Any composition accompanying it?
| | | (3) Posted by Thomas Maeder [Thursday, Nov 19, 2009 17:39] |
[In this text fragment, "décloue" is a verb, not a noun; the correct English translation of the fragment is "unpins indirectly".]
I understand an indirect unpin as an interference on the pin line, whereas a direct unpin means that the pinning piece leaves the pin line.
| | | (4) Posted by Steven Dowd [Thursday, Nov 19, 2009 18:01] |
Yes, Ian, the source is unnameable and Thomas seems to have cleared it up quite nicely. It makes a lot of sense his way. Always good to get the right names for and meanings of things. Especially for those who tend to confuse themselves, like me. :)
| | | (5) Posted by Guy Sobrecases [Thursday, Nov 19, 2009 19:15] |
Yes, Thomas!
Your French is perfect, which is no surprise.
| | | (6) Posted by Jacques Rotenberg [Thursday, Nov 19, 2009 23:06]; edited by Jacques Rotenberg [09-11-21] |
you have in orthodox matters 5 ways for a piece to get pinned :
1) The pinning piece plays and pins
it may be called pinning directly
2) A piece of the colour of the pinning piece opens a line of the pinning piece so that it pins
it may be called pinning directly or indirectly by openning of a line, it depends on the authors, and perhaps also on the purpose.
3) A piece of the colour of the King opens a line of the pinning piece so that it pins
it may be called self-pinning directly or indirectly by openning of a line, it depends on the authors, and perhaps also on the purpose.
4) The King plays and thus a piece of his colour is pinned.
This is called indirect self-pinning.
5) A piece of the colour of the King plays on the line of the pinning piece and thus is pinned
This is called direct self-pinning.
The terms direct or indirect are always optional.
for unpinning, you have the same 5 ways, but the usual wording is a little bit less precise, mainly due to the fact that 'Self-unpinning' is almost not used at all.
Also for the case 5) when a piece unpins itself -by the capture of the pinning piece- it is almost never called 'unpinning'!
Usually, for any combination, the terms 'direct' or 'indirect' are used as follow :
in a direct combination the side that wants to do something acts it.
in an indirect combination this is done by the opponent !
This is not always easy to use these categories clearly in the field of the 2#
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