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(1) Posted by Kevin Begley [Friday, Dec 13, 2013 03:11]

win chloe milestone

I don't mean to sound like a commercial, but Win Chloe just passed 500k+ problems!
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(2) Posted by Eugene Rosner [Friday, Dec 13, 2013 15:12]

how do the online databases, yacpdb, and PDB(Schwalbe) compare to win chloe?
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(3) Posted by Olaf Jenkner [Friday, Dec 13, 2013 16:59]

A search in the PDB: 341729 problem(s) found
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(4) Posted by Peter Gvozdjak [Friday, Dec 13, 2013 22:51]

i.m.h.o., winchloe is miles ahead.
speaking not just about numbers.
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(5) Posted by Juraj Lörinc [Saturday, Dec 14, 2013 08:20]

It should be noted that some part of the WinChloe database consists of problems with low interest, with very low chance that somebody would even bother to look at them.

On the other hand, e.g. as far as the best fairies are concerned, vast majority of top quality works are already in.

As Peter says, it is not only about numbers. Thanks to the Christian and voluntary contributors, the information provided about various problems is of good quality (naturally, there is still space for improvement), no matter whether we speak about publication data or about thematical content.

(Also I hope I do not sound as an advertisement, rather as a remark of satisfied long-time user, since 2000.)
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(6) Posted by Kevin Begley [Saturday, Dec 14, 2013 17:27]

I agree with Peter.
The success of Win Chloe is probably better attributed to Christian Poisson's quality programming.
It's the interface, much more than it is the problem numbers.

That said, the numbers for Win Chloe are something to celebrate.
Even when those numbers (and the quality of content) are bolstered by freely available software.

And, I also agree with Juraj.
Though, there are times when composers may be happy to find that inferior works included in the database, the general audience would probably much prefer that they be hidden from sight.
I'd like to permanently hide a few of my regrets away, too (haha).

This is where, it seems to me, that online problem databases have failed to recognize their true potential.
Unlike Win Chloe, they have the benefit a "live" audience -- and tuning into that could help to better organize their data.

Most users have no interest in sifting through an unsorted list of 10000 (or even 100!) problems -- whether for a given composer, or genre, or stipulation, or fairy element, ...
Refined searches (based upon awards, publishing date, etc) will provide little relief -- unfortunately, judges have generally done us no favors in helping to organize such information.

Most users would prefer a fast, organized snapshot of the story...
If user selects a composer, chances are they would prefer to see a few (say ~7) problems, which aim to represent the story of a composer's notable works (maybe organized by genre, or number of moves, ... whatever the story requires); and, each of these representations would offer the live audience with CHOICES.
Users may want good examples, which illustrate the possibilities of some set of fairy elements (maybe problem which help us to discern the rules).
They may want to explore a particular theme -- and that can be sub-divided in a number of ways (historical examples, recent works, trending problems, classic problems, thematic varieties, etc).
They may want to view notable composers, who come from a given location.

But, what they most want is an interactive environment -- where their preferences are allowed to affect the telling of the story (leave the consummate connoisseur's refined sensibilities for the title manufacturers guild).
A human experience...

An unorganized list of 10000 items is almost useless.
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(7) Posted by seetharaman kalyan [Saturday, Dec 14, 2013 18:22]

I think Winchloe should provide for rating of each problem seen by the users. Higher rated problems can be searched which should filter the chaf. Of course it would be quite sometime before a significant number of problem is rated by the users.
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(8) Posted by Juraj Lörinc [Saturday, Dec 14, 2013 19:41]

While seetharamans suggestion of crowd-sourced ratings is surely interesting, it has some drawbacks. The most important is that it is not very suitable for off-line gathering of ratings for a program like WinChloe. It is more suited for some online database with wide audience and content, whether PDB or YACPDB.

What I have to do in WinChloe again and again, it is detailed organization of specific topics. I usually work with specific requirements like this:
1. I select and extract from big Echecs database using available filters and requests superset of my specific topic.
2. Then I go through the whole selection looking for elements I was unable to express in standardized filters and requests.
3. Having done the 2nd step - sometimes at the same time - I also make some preliminary classification of specific topic by some further criteria, writing the findings in some way into available fields.

If I want to have the file sortable by my classification, I have to use field Etiquette. It would be very useful if e.g. Comments fields allowed being used as sort key.
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