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MatPlus.Net Forum Threemovers A mysterious task
 
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(1) Posted by Marcel Tribowski [Tuesday, Jan 6, 2015 13:43]

A mysterious task


Daniel Papack sent me the following diagram, probably published some decades ago and showing Loshinski's magnet in task form. Who knows details about author and source? Thanks in advance.

(= 15+3 )

#3 (15+3)

1.f7! zz

1.- Tg6 2.Tg7 ~ 3.Da8
1.- Tg5 2.Tg6 T:e5 3.D:e5
1.- Tg4 2.Tg5 (T:h4) 3.Da8
1.- Tg3 2.Tg4 Ta(c,d)3 3.f5
1.- Tg2 2.Tg3 (T:c2) 3.Te3
1.- Tg1 2.Tg2 T:d1 3.Te2

(1.- T:g8 2.Lb1 ~ (Kd5)/Ta8+ 3.c4/D:a8)
 
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(2) Posted by Miodrag Mladenović [Tuesday, Jan 6, 2015 14:28]

This is problem by Milan Velimirovic. I am at work so I cannot tell you source right now but I'can find it later during the evening. This is a wonderful problem by founder of this MatPlus forum. He has hundreds of problems that are masterpieces like this one. Unfortunately he passed away too young.
 
 
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(3) Posted by Administrator [Tuesday, Jan 6, 2015 20:04]

Author: Milan Velimirović
Source: Spec.hm Bačko Petrovo Selo JT 1977
 
   
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(4) Posted by Marcel Tribowski [Tuesday, Jan 6, 2015 23:12]

Makes me curious about the prizes ..

Instead of, that Album section shows us:

Sergey Makhno
2 Pr= Malakhov MT 1978
(= 13+6 )

#3 (13+6)

1.Sg6! zz

1.- Tc4/Tb4/Ta4 2.Td4/Tc4/Teb4
1.- Td3/Td2/Td1 2.Te3/Te2/Te1

(1.- T:e4 2.Kh8)
 
   
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(5) Posted by seetharaman kalyan [Wednesday, Jan 7, 2015 18:49]

?? But they are two different problems.
 
   
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(6) Posted by Marcel Tribowski [Thursday, Jan 8, 2015 09:09]

Exactly.
Diagram no.2 shows half of the thematical contents (+3 'substitutional' variations without Bristol effect), while you won't find the first neither in Album nor any public database.

And this appeared to me 'mysterious'.
 
   
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(7) Posted by seetharaman kalyan [Thursday, Jan 8, 2015 09:54]

Yes. It is indeed a mystery. More one looks at Milan's problem, the more I admire it. It is a such great problem, at once easy to understand and admire. Only a master can make a maximum task in such a beautiful setting. So sad that we no longer have him with us.
 
   
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(8) Posted by Miodrag Mladenović [Thursday, Jan 8, 2015 16:57]

I think that I can explain why this problem did not make it to the FIDE ALBUM. At the time Milan was very disappointed with how FIDE ALBUM selection process works so he did not want to send any of his problems. Basically he was boycotting FA. Otherwise I am sure that this problem would make it to the album. Later on he did start sending problems again and he become GM in composing of chess problems. Unfortunately there is period of (10-15 years) without his problems in FIDE ALBUM (with an exception of composition where he is a coauthor).
 
   
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(9) Posted by Sven Hendrik Lossin [Thursday, Jan 8, 2015 22:20]

Showing the same task with threatening play would be an absolute masterpiece, wouldn't it?
 
   
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(10) Posted by Geoff Foster [Thursday, Jan 8, 2015 23:13]

Milan quoted this problem in the thread 'More Nth degree black corrections in 3#'.

http://www.matplus.net/start.php?px=1420754908&app=forum&act=posts&fid=xshow3&tid=647&pid=4427&mark=yes&#n4427
 
 
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(11) Posted by Marcel Tribowski [Thursday, Jan 8, 2015 23:52]

.. vs. the "boycott theory" [8]: In that Album, author MV is represented with a dozen of his works, and none of them is a co-production.

So this part of mystery remains secret of the deceased Album judges.
 
   
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(12) Posted by seetharaman kalyan [Friday, Jan 9, 2015 19:48]

Thanks Geoff for pointing out the old link. Milan explains his view on this problem there quoting precedent problems using similar stalemate avoidance idea.

I quote:
"You won't find this position neither in FIDE Album, nor in WinChloe or other databases. Even friends to whom I showed the problem didn't accept it with the enthusiasm. Nevertheless, I am convinced that this is an important task ....."

Perhaps the judges took the predecessors into account, blissfully ignoring that this is a new maximum task.
 
   
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(13) Posted by Jan Hein Verduin [Saturday, Jan 10, 2015 11:32]; edited by Jan Hein Verduin [15-01-10]

Also, this predecessor/anticipation (but with one thematic variation less) may have kept it from a higher award:

L. Zagoruyko
4th prize
Shakhmaty v SSSR 1972
(= 10+4 )


1.Bf5!, waiting
1..;Re7/Rd7/Rc7/Rb7/Ra7
2.Rf7/Re7/Rd7/Rc7/Rb7
 
 
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