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| (1) Posted by David Knezevic [Thursday, Mar 27, 2008 11:56] |
Report(s) from Antalya
I am now in Antalya, first impressions excellent. It was a great surprise to learn from Mr. Abdurrahman Koral from Turkish Chess Federaton how much have been done for chess promotion in Turkey in last 5 or 6 years: they have the chess in the schools, 2 and half million kids are learning chess now!!! Mr. Koral mentioned an unbelieveable number of active chess players they have: 100.000! I suppose that in few years Turkey and China will be the leading chess nations. However, no chess composers here yet...
I have the feeling that this is going to be an excellently organized Festival of chess composition and that soon we'll have the WCCC here. Andrey Selivanov is expected to arrive in few hours, British, Dutch and Polish teams later this evening.
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| (2) Posted by Sarah Hornecker [Thursday, Mar 27, 2008 14:10] |
Sounds very nice!
Sadly, in Germany they rather would like to ban chess from schools as seen in Ströbeck. If we would get enough development, we'd surely be number one again like Lasker.
Will you make a test run - by the way - for the live broadcast?
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| (3) Posted by Dejan Glisić [Friday, Mar 28, 2008 11:00] |
Dear Milan,
There is no composers in Turkey. Do you maybe have informations about Turkish solvers? Are they going to compeete ECSC? There was only one participant from Turkey at Official list of participants, few days ago. Maybe this Federation with 100.000 players could create a solving team with 3-4 solvers?
Good luck and best regards!
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| (4) Posted by Administrator [Friday, Mar 28, 2008 14:58] |
I heard that there will be one solver from Turkey. I've spoken to Mr. Abdurrahman Koral, who is a very enthusiastic maganer in Turkish Chess federation, and adviced him to do something in chess problems direction. We'll see what will be - Mr. Koral says that until now he didn't have any contact with chess composition, nor with any composer or solver.
Yesterday I tested the procedures for broadcasting the solving show from here to my (other) website and back and everything worked perfectly. However I noticed that this morning Matplus.Net was down for some time. Tose who would like to watch the broadcast should, just in case, wrıte down the following link:
http://www.milanvel.net/pub/sosho/index.html
(That's where the link from "Antalya '08" page would take you provided it is running)
(Sorry for my 'handwriting', I'm usıng a Turkısh keyboard with many displaced keys...)
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| (5) Posted by Dejan Glisić [Friday, Mar 28, 2008 18:57] |
I also hope that Turkish solvers will be brave and participate ECSC or Open at least! It will be pity if domain country does not have a team, when they have right to participate with two teams. Maybe the Turkish chess bosses can do something about it? They are good organizers, I believe they can do much in this case. Good luck!
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| (6) Posted by Vladimir Tyapkin [Friday, Mar 28, 2008 20:50]; edited by Vladimir Tyapkin [08-03-28] |
I was wondering why Turkey and Israel are allowed to participate in European competition while not being geographically located in Europe. According to the rules of ECSC (http://www.saunalahti.fi/~stniekat/pccc/ecscrule.htm) "ECSC is open to all countries that belong to ECU (European Chess Union)" as of rule 2.4.
The list of ECU members could be found on the official site at http://www.eurochess.org/info185.aspx. Turkey and Israel are in the list that makes them eligible to participate. But I found that United Kingdom is not on the list, rather being represented by Chess Federations of England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland. Does it mean that UK may be represented by up to four teams? And can UK participate as a single entity even it is not a ECU member?
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| (7) Posted by [Saturday, Mar 29, 2008 08:23] |
Vladimir Tyapkin asks:
>But I found that United Kingdom is not on the list, rather being represented by Chess
>Federations of England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland. Does it mean that UK may be
>represented by up to four teams?
To begin with, The Republic of Ireland is not part of the United Kingdom, so it doesn't
enter the question.
The three countries England, Scotland, Wales are such parts, and are thus eligible
for separate representation according to the rule you cite. Northern Ireland is also a country
(I think ... ?) so I presume there could be four teams from different parts of
the UK ... but Northern Ireland is not on the list.
England, Scotland and Wales do not represent the UK -- they represent their respective
countries.
If you look closer on the list, you'll also find that the Channel Islands Jersey and Guernsey
have separate representation. (I did not think they counted as countries, I must admit.)
They're not part of the UK, and so doesn't really enter the question either. They are
'British', though.
I must admit that I can't immediately see why ECU is on the list -- it's not a country
-- but I suspect it may have something to do with allowing people living in Europe but
of no nationality to participate.
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| (8) Posted by Vladimir Tyapkin [Saturday, Mar 29, 2008 17:30] |
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To begin with, The Republic of Ireland is not part of the United Kingdom, so it doesn't
enter the question.
I made a mistake here. I meant Northern Ireland that is not a ECU member
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England, Scotland and Wales do not represent the UK -- they represent their respective
countries.
So, it would be one of these, who will participate in team events? I check the 2006 and 2007 results(I specially looked at The Problemist, #1 and #5 2007) and British team is listed as Great Britain in both, that is a combined representation of the three mentioned.
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I must admit that I can't immediately see why ECU is on the list -- it's not a country
-- but I suspect it may have something to do with allowing people living in Europe but
of no nationality to participate.
It may have something to do with ECU statues (http://www.eurochess.org/info.aspx), paragraph 2.1, with reference to FIDE zoning rules. According to FIDE zoning rules(http://www.fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=DD101), both Guernsey and Jersey are in zone 1.1a. Notice, neither UK nor GB is on FIDE list as a single entity as well.
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| (9) Posted by Sarah Hornecker [Saturday, Mar 29, 2008 20:32]; edited by Sarah Hornecker [08-03-29] |
Milan Velimirović sent me the following message via e-mail.
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Hi!
I have a problem: the pages uploaded from here to my site become read-protected. Can you help me by putting the attached information to your site and posting a link to Matplus Forum? Thank you in advance and best wishes,
Milan
So I uploaded it now to my website. You can download it at http://sh-kunstschach.eu/download/ECSC_R3.pdf (size: 271 KB)
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| (10) Posted by Branislav Djurašević [Monday, Mar 31, 2008 02:52] |
Final preliminary results:
1.Serbia 223, 2.Russia 222, 3.Poland 206,5 points.
Individual: 1.Murdzia,P. 77,5 2.Vuckovic,B. 76,5 3.Mladenovic, M. 73,5. Second and third placed solver earned last GM norm. Congratulations to winners!
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| (11) Posted by Vladimir Tyapkin [Monday, Mar 31, 2008 05:53]; edited by Vladimir Tyapkin [08-04-05] |
The final table could be found on Andrey Selivanov's website: http://www.selivanov.ru/download/Solving/2008/ECSCFINAL.doc
A bunch of photos could be found on the official website: http://www.tsf.org.tr/index.php?option=com_zoom&Itemid=47&catid=712
I wonder why Milan did not include S#3 in the selfmate round as required by the rules.
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| (12) Posted by Juraj Lörinc [Monday, Mar 31, 2008 10:37] |
Which composition of problems exactly is required by rules in respective rounds? I have never heard about need to include specific lengths of problems in selfmate round - and for that matter also in helpmate nor moremover rounds...
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| (13) Posted by Dejan Glisić [Monday, Mar 31, 2008 10:57] |
Congratulations to all of winners and participants. Also congratulations to organizers. Sorry, I can't find a yuniors results. Can anybody help me, please?
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| (14) Posted by Vladimir Tyapkin [Monday, Mar 31, 2008 11:26] |
Juraj, check my link above in this thread concerning ECSC rules. The copy is on the official site as well: http://eccc2008.tsf.org.tr/content/view/49/1/lang,tr/
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| (15) Posted by Harry Fougiaxis [Monday, Mar 31, 2008 11:54] |
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Sorry, I can't find a juniors results.
Considering that the rules dictate that "The ECSC is an official team european championship if teams of at least 7 different countries participate. It is an official individual european championship if at least 30 solvers from at least 10 countries participate. For juniors and women required numbers are 10 solvers from 7 different countries. The maximum age for junior is 23", and reviewing the list of participants, I assume that the number of juniors was not sufficient to have a separate ranking.
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| (16) Posted by Juraj Lörinc [Monday, Mar 31, 2008 13:59] |
Thank you, Vladimir. I thought it was expected rule only for the ECSC, but from
http://www.saunalahti.fi/~stniekat/pccc/wcsc.htm
it is clear the same is expected for WCSC and consequently for all competitions with "WCSC rules". However if I remember correctly in the past there were even WCSC ocassions when different lengths were set for solvers. Any proof of my memory available?
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| (17) Posted by Frank Richter [Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008 07:46]; edited by Frank Richter [08-04-01] |
@Dejan:
Here you can find junior's results:
http://www.solving.pl/
1 Piotr Górski POL 2269 66 360
2 Evgenij Viktorov RUS 2206 65 359
3 Roman Evstigneev UKR 2257 60 360
4 Andrey Petrov RUS 2296 54 360
5 FM Jacek Stopa POL 2438 52 358
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| (18) Posted by Dejan Glisić [Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008 18:48] |
Pity, the junior's competition is unofficial. So, this is the first ECSC without official junior's competition?
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| (19) Posted by Piotr Murdzia [Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008 23:02] |
Could someone explane one thing? On the official site of ECSC there is a photo of three junior medalists with Andrey Petrov as a third, but according to the final table it is Roman Evstigneev who took a bronze medal. I can explane it only as a mistake in the table (on www.solving.pl) , because there is still no full results on the Turkish site.
Piotr Murdzia
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| (20) Posted by Miodrag Mladenović [Wednesday, Apr 2, 2008 09:00] |
Piotr wrote:
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Could someone explane one thing? On the official site of ECSC there is a photo of three junior medalists with Andrey Petrov as a third, but according to the final table it is Roman Evstigneev who took a bronze medal. I can explane it only as a mistake in the table (on www.solving.pl) , because there is still no full results on the Turkish site.
Milan told me after competition that Roman Evstigneev has not been declared as a junior at the beginning of the competition. I am assuming that this happened accidentally (language barrier or something similar). After results were announced I think that they filed a protest and I think that Millan accepted this. I am sure that Milan can explain this better but this is my understanding what was the issue. Milan did not yet arrive in Belgrade from Turkey and I think that he does not have an access to Internet since he has some old laptop without wireless card. I am sure that as soon as he arives in Belgrade he will give detail explanation.
Misha.
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