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(1) Posted by James Malcom [Wednesday, May 10, 2023 03:15] |
Run Popeye Without Threats But Full Variants Still Does there exist an option to run Popeye with full variants, not no threat lines included? |
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(2) Posted by Joost de Heer [Wednesday, May 10, 2023 06:25] |
If I understand you correctly: option nothreat noshort var?
But perhaps give an example of what you want and what's missing (or too much) in Popeye's output? |
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(3) Posted by James Malcom [Wednesday, May 10, 2023 09:07] |
I'm testing this #341 Madrasi: pdb.dieschwalbe.de/P1391129
Popeye seems to C+ it within a few minutes within nothing specified for output beyond the usual key move. I tested running it with threats allowed via "opti vari", but thatl didn't progress much after even a hiur so. Thus, I seek to generate a full and digestible solution in the output to nake sure it is C+. |
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(4) Posted by Joost de Heer [Wednesday, May 10, 2023 09:15] |
I tested this and it started to spit out text within a few seconds.
For this length, the auto indentation of the moves is fairly annoying however, the output is mostly empty space.
begin
prot madrasi.out
fors 2Sb2qk/2p1sS2/1rPppp1s/3p1p2/7K/4p3/1R1rP1Q1/B6B
stip #341
cond madrasi
opt var nothr nosho
end |
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(5) Posted by Torsten Linß [Wednesday, May 10, 2023 12:13] |
Seems to have a few duals:
1.Kh4-h3 ! Kh8-h7 2.Kh3-h2 Kh7-h8 3.Kh2-g1 Kh8-h7 4.Kg1-f1 Kh7-h8 5.Kf1-e1 Kh8-h7 6.Ke1-d1 Kh7-h8 7.Kd1-c1 Kh8-h7 8.Kc1-b1 Kh7-h8 9.Kb1-a2 Kh8-h7 10.Ka2-a3
Kh7-h8 11.Ka3-a4 Kh8-h7 12.Ka4-a5 Kh7-h8 13.Ka5-a6 Kh8-h7 14.Ka6-b7 Kh7-h8 15.Kb7-a7 Kh8-h7 16.Ka7-a6 Kh7-h8 17.Ka6-a5 Kh8-h7 18.Ka5-a4 Kh7-h8 19.Ka4-a3 Kh8-h7 20.Ka3-a2 Kh7-h8 21.Ka2-b1 Kh8-h7 22.Kb1-c1 Kh7-h8 23.Kc1-d1 Kh8-h7 24.Kd1-e1 Kh7-h8 25.Ke1-f1 Kh8-h7 26.Kf1-g1 Kh7-h8 27.Kg1-h2 Kh8-h7 28.Kh2-h3 Kh7-h8 29.Kh3-h4 Kh8-h7 30.Kh4-h5 d5-d4 31.Kh5-h4 Kh7-h8 32.Kh4-h3 Kh8-h7 33.Kh3-h2 Kh7-h8 34.Kh2-g1 Kh8-h7 35.Kg1-f1 Kh7-h8 36.Kf1-e1 Kh8-h7 37.Ke1-d1 Kh7-h8 38.Kd1-c1 Kh8-h7 39.Kc1-b1 Kh7-h8 40.Kb1-a2 Kh8-h7 41.Ka2-a3 Kh7-h8 42.Ka3-a4 Kh8-h7 43.Ka4-a5 Kh7-h8 44.Ka5-a6 Kh8-h7 45.Ka6-b7 Kh7-h8 46.Kb7-a7 Kh8-h7 47.Ka7-a6 Kh7-h8 48.Ka6-a5 Kh8-h7 49.Ka5-a4 Kh7-h8 50.Ka4-a3 Kh8-h7 51.Ka3-a2 Kh7-h8 52.Ka2-b1 Kh8-h7 53.Kb1-c1 Kh7-h8 54.Kc1-d1 Kh8-h7 55.Kd1-e1 Kh7-h8 56.Ke1-f1 Kh8-h7 57.Kf1-g1 Kh7-h8 58.Kg1-h2 Kh8-h7 59.Kh2-h3 Kh7-h8 60.Kh3-h4 Kh8-h7 61.Kh4-h5 d4-d3 62.Kh5-h4 Kh7-h8 63.Kh4-h3 Kh8-h7 64.Kh3-h2 Kh7-h8 65.Kh2-g1 Kh8-h7 66.Kg1-f1 Kh7-h8 67.Kf1-e1 Kh8-h7 68.Ke1-d1 Kh7-h8 69.Kd1-c1 Kh8-h7 70.Kc1-b1 Kh7-h8 71.Kb1-a2 Kh8-h7 72.Ka2-a3 Kh7-h8 73.Ka3-a4 Kh8-h7 74.Ka4-a5 Kh7-h8 75.Ka5-a6 Kh8-h7 76.Ka6-b7 Kh7-h8 77.Kb7-a7 Kh8-h7 78.Ka7-a6 Kh7-h8 79.Ka6-a5 Kh8-h7 80.Ka5-a4 Kh7-h8 81.Ka4-a3 Kh8-h7 82.Ka3-a2 Kh7-h8 83.Ka2-b1 Kh8-h7 84.Kb1-c1 Kh7-h8 85.Kc1-d1 Kh8-h7 86.Kd1-e1 Kh7-h8 87.Ke1-f1 Kh8-h7 88.Kf1-g1 Kh7-h8 89.Kg1-h2 Kh8-h7 90.Kh2-h3 Kh7-h8 91.Kh3-h4 Kh8-h7 92.Kh4-h5 f5-f4 93.Kh5-h4 Kh7-h8 94.Kh4-h3 Kh8-h7 95.Kh3-h2 Kh7-h8 96.Kh2-g1 Kh8-h7 97.Kg1-f1 Kh7-h8 98.Kf1-e1 Kh8-h7 99.Ke1-d1 Kh7-h8 100.Kd1-c1 Kh8-h7 101.Kc1-b1 Kh7-h8 102.Kb1-a2 Kh8-h7 103.Ka2-a3 Kh7-h8 104.Ka3-a4 Kh8-h7 105.Ka4-a5 Kh7-h8 106.Ka5-a6 Kh8-h7 107.Ka6-b7 Kh7-h8 108.Kb7-a7 Kh8-h7 109.Ka7-a6 Kh7-h8 110.Ka6-a5 Kh8-h7 111.Ka5-a4 Kh7-h8 112.Ka4-a3 Kh8-h7 113.Ka3-a2 Kh7-h8 114.Ka2-b1 Kh8-h7 115.Kb1-c1 Kh7-h8 116.Kc1-d1 Kh8-h7 117.Kd1-e1 Kh7-h8 118.Ke1-f1 Kh8-h7 119.Kf1-g1 Kh7-h8 120.Kg1-h2 Kh8-h7 121.Kh2-h3 Kh7-h8 122.Kh3-h4 Kh8-h7 123.Kh4-h5 f4-f3 124.Kh5-h4 Kh7-h8 125.Kh4-h3 Kh8-h7 126.Kh3-h2 Kh7-h8 127.Kh2-g1 Kh8-h7 128.Kg1-f1 Kh7-h8 129.Kf1-e1 Kh8-h7 130.Ke1-d1 Kh7-h8 131.Kd1-c1 Kh8-h7 132.Kc1-b1 Kh7-h8 133.Kb1-a2 Kh8-h7 134.Ka2-a3 Kh7-h8 135.Ka3-a4 Kh8-h7 136.Ka4-a5 Kh7-h8 137.Ka5-a6 Kh8-h7 138.Ka6-b7 Kh7-h8 139.Kb7-a7 Kh8-h7 140.Ka7-6 Kh7-h8 141.Ka6-a5 Kh8-h7 142.Ka5-a4 Kh7-h8 143.Ka4-a3 Kh8-h7 144.Ka3-a2 Kh7-h8 145.Ka2-b1 Kh8-h7 146.Kb1-c1 Kh7-h8 147.Kc1-d1 Kh8-h7 148.Kd1-e1 Kh7-h8 149.Ke1-f1 Kh8-h7 150.Kf1-g1 Kh7-h8 151.Kg1-h2 Kh8-h7 152.Kh2-h3 Kh7-h8 153.Kh3-h4 Kh8-h7 154.Kh4-h5 d6-d5 155.Kh5-h4 Kh7-h8 156.Kh4-h3 Kh8-h7 157.Kh3-h2 Kh7-h8 158.Kh2-g1 Kh8-h7 159.Kg1-f1 Kh7-h8 160.Kf1-e1 Kh8-h7 161.Ke1-d1 Kh7-h8 162.Kd1-c1 Kh8-h7 163.Kc1-b1 Kh7-h8 164.Kb1-a2 Kh8-h7 165.Ka2-a3 Kh7-h8 166.Ka3-a4 Kh8-h7 167.Ka4-a5 Kh7-h8 168.Ka5-a6 Kh8-h7 169.Ka6-b7 Kh7-h8 170.Kb7-a7 Kh8-h7 171.Ka7-a6 Kh7-h8 172.Ka6-a5 Kh8-h7 173.Ka5-a4 Kh7-h8 174.Ka4-a3 Kh8-h7 175.Ka3-a2 Kh7-h8 176.Ka2-b1 Kh8-h7 177.Kb1-c1 Kh7-h8 178.Kc1-d1 Kh8-h7 179.Kd1-e1 Kh7-h8 180.Ke1-f1 Kh8-h7 181.Kf1-g1 Kh7-h8 182.Kg1-h2 Kh8-h7 183.Kh2-h3 Kh7-h8 184.Kh3-h4 Kh8-h7 185.Kh4-h5 d5-d4 186.Kh5-h4 Kh7-h8 187.Kh4-h3 Kh8-h7 188.Kh3-h2 Kh7-h8 189.Kh2-g1 Kh8-h7 190.Kg1-f1 Kh7-h8 191.Kf1-e1 Kh8-h7 192.Ke1-d1 Kh7-h8 193.Kd1-c1 Kh8-h7 194.Kc1-b1 Kh7-h8 195.Kb1-a2 Kh8-h7 196.Ka2-a3 Kh7-h8 197.Ka3-a4 Kh8-h7 198.Ka4-a5 Kh7-h8 199.Ka5-a6 Kh8-h7 200.Ka6-b7 Kh7-h8 201.Kb7-a7 Kh8-h7 202.Ka7-a6 Kh7-h8 203.Ka6-a5 Kh8-h7 204.Ka5-a4 Kh7-h8 205.Ka4-a3 Kh8-h7 206.Ka3-a2 Kh7-h8 207.Ka2-b1 Kh8-h7 208.Kb1-c1 Kh7-h8 209.Kc1-d1 Kh8-h7 210.Kd1-e1 Kh7-h8 211.Ke1-f1 Kh8-h7 212.Kf1-g1 Kh7-h8 213.Kg1-h2 Kh8-h7 214.Kh2-h3 Kh7-h8 215.Kh3-h4 Kh8-h7 216.Kh4-h5 e6-e5 217.Kh5-h4 Kh7-h8 218.Kh4-h3 Kh8-h7 219.Kh3-h2 Kh7-h8 220.Kh2-g1 Kh8-h7 221.Kg1-f1 Kh7-h8 222.Kf1-e1 Kh8-h7 223.Ke1-d1 Kh7-h8 224.Kd1-c1 Kh8-h7 225.Kc1-b1 Kh7-h8 226.Kb1-a2 Kh8-h7 227.Ka2-a3 Kh7-h8 228.Ka3-a4 Kh8-h7 229.Ka4-a5 Kh7-h8 230.Ka5-a6 Kh8-h7 231.Ka6-b7 Kh7-h8 232.Kb7-a7 Kh8-h7 233.Ka7-a6 Kh7-h8 234.Ka6-a5 Kh8-h7 235.Ka5-a4 Kh7-h8 236.Ka4-a3 Kh8-h7 237.Ka3-a2 Kh7-h8 238.Ka2-b1 Kh8-h7 239.Kb1-c1 Kh7-h8 240.Kc1-d1 Kh8-h7 241.Kd1-e1 Kh7-h8 242.Ke1-f1 Kh8-h7 243.Kf1-g1 Kh7-h8 244.Kg1-h2 Kh8-h7 245.Kh2-h3 Kh7-h8 246.Kh3-h4 Kh8-h7 247.Kh4-h5 e5-e4 248.Kh5-h4 Kh7-h8 249.Kh4-h3 Kh8-h7 250.Kh3-h2 Kh7-h8 251.Kh2-g1 Kh8-h7 252.Kg1-f1 Kh7-h8 253.Kf1-e1 Kh8-h7 254.Ke1-d1 Kh7-h8 255.Kd1-c1 Kh8-h7 256.Kc1-b1 Kh7-h8 257.Kb1-a2 Kh8-h7 258.Ka2-a3 Kh7-h8 259.Ka3-a4 Kh8-h7 260.Ka4-a5 Kh7-h8 261.Ka5-a6 Kh8-h7 262.Ka6-b7 Kh7-h8 263.Kb7-a7 Kh8-h7 264.Ka7-a6 Kh7-h8 265.Ka6-a5 Kh8-h7 266.Ka5-a4 Kh7-h8 267.Ka4-a3 Kh8-h7 268.Ka3-a2 Kh7-h8 269.Ka2-b1 Kh8-h7 270.Kb1-c1 Kh7-h8 271.Kc1-d1 Kh8-h7 272.Kd1-e1 Kh7-h8 273.Ke1-f1 Kh8-h7 274.Kf1-g1 Kh7-h8 275.Kg1-h2 Kh8-h7 276.Kh2-h3 Kh7-h8 277.Kh3-h4 Kh8-h7 278.Kh4-h5 f6-f5 279.Kh5-h4 Kh7-h8 280.Kh4-h3 Kh8-h7 281.Kh3-h2 Kh7-h8 282.Kh2-g1 Kh8-h7 283.Kg1-f1 Kh7-h8 284.Kf1-e1 Kh8-h7 285.Ke1-d1 Kh7-h8 286.Kd1-c1 Kh8-h7 287.Kc1-b1 Kh7-h8 288.Kb1-a2 Kh8-h7 289.Ka2-a3 Kh7-h8 290.Ka3-a4 Kh8-h7 291.Ka4-a5 Kh7-h8 292.Ka5-a6 Kh8-h7 293.Ka6-b7 Kh7-h8 294.Kb7-a7 Kh8-h7 295.Ka7-a6 Kh7-h8 296.Ka6-a5 Kh8-h7 297.Ka5-a4 Kh7-h8 298.Ka4-a3 Kh8-h7 299.Ka3-a2 Kh7-h8 300.Ka2-b1 Kh8-h7 301.Kb1-c1 Kh7-h8 302.Kc1-d1 Kh8-h7 303.Kd1-e1 Kh7-h8 304.Ke1-f1 Kh8-h7 305.Kf1-g1 Kh7-h8 306.Kg1-h2 Kh8-h7 307.Kh2-h3 Kh7-h8 308.Kh3-h4 Kh8-h7 309.Kh4-h5 f5-f4 310.Kh5-h4 Kh7-h8 311.Kh4-h3 Kh8-h7 312.Kh3-h2 Kh7-h8 313.Kh2-g1 Kh8-h7 314.Kg1-f1 Kh7-h8 315.Kf1-e1 Kh8-h7 316.Ke1-d1 Kh7-h8 317.Kd1-c1 Kh8-h7 318.Kc1-b1 Kh7-h8 319.Kb1-a2 Kh8-h7 320.Ka2-a3 Kh7-h8 321.Ka3-a4 Kh8-h7 322.Ka4-a5 Kh7-h8 323.Ka5-a6 Kh8-h7 324.Ka6-b7 Kh7-h8 325.Kb7-a7 Kh8-h7 326.Ka7-a6 Kh7-h8 327.Ka6-a5 Kh8-h7 328.Ka5-a4 Kh7-h8 329.Ka4-a3 Kh8-h7 330.Ka3-a2 Kh7-h8 331.Ka2-b1 Kh8-h7 332.Kb1-c1 Kh7-h8 333.Kc1-d1 Kh8-h7 334.Kd1-e1 Kh7-h8 335.Ke1-f1 Kh8-h7 336.Kf1-g1 Kh7-h8 337.Kg1-h2 Kh8-h7 338.Kh2-h3 Kh7-h8 339.Kh3-h4 Kh8-h7 340.Kh4-h5 Kh7-h8 341.Kh5*h6#
but also
324.Ka6-a7 Kh7-h8 325.Ka7-b7 Kh8-h7 326.Kb7-a6 Kh7-h8 327.Ka6-a5 Kh8-h7 328.Ka5-a4 Kh7-h8 329.Ka4-a3 Kh8-h7 330.Ka3-a2 Kh7-h8 331.Ka2-b1 Kh8-h7 332.Kb1-c1 Kh7-h8 333.Kc1-d1 Kh8-h7 334.Kd1-e1 Kh7-h8 335.Ke1-f1 Kh8-h7 336.Kf1-g1 Kh7-h8 337.Kg1-h2 Kh8-h7 338.Kh2-h3 Kh7-h8 339.Kh3-h4 Kh8-h7 340.Kh4-h5 Kh7-h8 341.Kh5*h6#
And others |
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(6) Posted by Joost de Heer [Wednesday, May 10, 2023 15:10] |
Which Juraj also mentions on his page:
Black king is catched on 2 squares and all white must do is to capture bSh6 with king. But it turns out that (1.Kh5? Kh7!) white must loose tempo somewhere... It is possible only in triangle a6-a7-b7, so he must go with his king for a long journey: 1.Kh3 Kh7 2.Kh2 Kh8 ... 14.Ka7 (Kb7) Kh8 15.Kb7 (Ka7) Kh7 16.Ka6 ... 30.Kh5! d4! (and again until black makes all available pawn moves) 339.Kh4 Kh7 340.Kh5 Kh8 341.Kxh6#.
Durbar (white makes all moves with king), very mechanical, with duals, but very long.
Personal rating: C. |
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(7) Posted by James Malcom [Wednesday, May 10, 2023 21:49] |
Triangulation duals, yes, but the problem is still very much correct. Thanks for the assistance, all |
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(8) Posted by Olaf Jenkner [Thursday, May 11, 2023 00:05] |
Triangulation duals are well known, not only in Blathy's seasnakes.
Walther Jørgensen avoided them sophistically, see
https://pdb.dieschwalbe.de/P1298048 |
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