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| (1) Posted by Eugene Rosner [Wednesday, Aug 20, 2014 05:18] |
Argentinian twinning
Hi Everyone!
I had an email exchange with Zoran G. the past few days. He mentioned the concept of Argentinian twinning. Is this a twinning where the problem's condition changes? If yes, what are the earliest examples of this?
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| (2) Posted by Thomas Brand [Wednesday, Aug 20, 2014 08:46] |
Indeed, "Tema Argentino" is twinnnig by changing the stipulation (mainly h#/h= twinnig), and it goes back to the 70th of the last century; see article "Tema Argentino" by Emiliano F. Ruth & Erich Bartel in feenschach 17 (Oct 1973. pp.131-138).
The first example with just this kind of twinnig seems to be Erich Bartel, 2262 Diagramme und Figuren Dec 15, 1968 (Ke2 Bh3 / Kh2 Nf1 h#2/h=2), but there are earlier examples with different "stipulation twinnig" like sh#/sh=.
This article included the announcement of the 32th feenschach theme tourney.
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| (3) Posted by Eugene Rosner [Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 00:18] |
many thanks Thomas! VERY valuable information, you are a wealth of knowledge!
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| (4) Posted by seetharaman kalyan [Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 12:49] |
I have seen examples by T.R.Dawson with four stipulations which are in the 1930s.
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| (5) Posted by Hauke Reddmann [Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 16:50] |
Anyone take on improving my Argentinus Maximus (all 8 "fight" stipulations:
#,s#,=,s=,duplex,in 2 moves)? Of course I don't give the position (it's
somewhere here on MPF anyway :-), in any case it had a "s# variant" in
one of the plays, which annoys some s# fans (that pointless discussion
is ALSO somewhere here on MPF, so don't repeat :-) - and I would like
it better without in this case too.
Hauke
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| (6) Posted by Adrian Storisteanu [Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 17:40] |
I was under the impression that the 'tema Argentino' (fine name for not-a-theme) only implies a mate - stalemate change in the stipulation (for a regular or series help problem). Not *any* combination of different stipulations!?
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| (7) Posted by Thomas Brand [Sunday, Aug 24, 2014 23:22] |
Adrian, indeed the article mentioned in post 2 defined 'Tema Argentino' for (ser) h#/h= only, but I suppose the definition was 'generalized' later.
Can anyone provide some examples?
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| (8) Posted by Branislav Djurašević [Monday, Aug 25, 2014 14:31]; edited by Branislav Djurašević [14-08-25] |
Here is my miniature, elementary example:
B.Djurasevic, Mat 1979
 (= 2+5 )
a)#1, b)=1, c)s#1, d)s=1, e)h=1
a.) 1.Qb2# b.) 1.Qe3:= c.) 1.Qc1+-Qc1:# d.) 1.Qa2+ -Ba2:= e.) 1.Qd3-Qd3:=
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| (9) Posted by Sarah Hornecker [Tuesday, Aug 26, 2014 09:58]; edited by Sarah Hornecker [14-08-26] |
Nice example! Any more with five stipulations?
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| (10) Posted by Frank Richter [Tuesday, Aug 26, 2014 10:02]; edited by Frank Richter [14-08-26] |
Yes, nice position. Is there any reason for the black Bb3? A pawn seems to work too.
Edit - found: 1.Qc1+ b2+!! and no s#1.
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