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(21) Posted by Hans Gruber [Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 15:11]

Dear all,

for many years (until it was completely scuffed) I used to wear a t-shirt with the motto: "Plagiarism is basic to all culture" - meant seriously! Of course, inspiration from former work is what happens permanently. It is a difficult question when someone who is "inspired" turns into someone to be accused.

Some recent postings mentioned a case - the name is not important, I suggest - who deteriorates the problems he is copying from. The most serious "problem" related to such a case is NOT his plagiarism. It is much more serious that editors nevertheless continue to publish such rubbish. And that relates to a threat (it's a different forum, I know) for the FIDE-Albums. Having to judge thousands of H#2, of which most are of lousy quality, is much more threatening problem chess than the plagiarism of bad work. (Nowadays, with computer use, it is much easier to get a - lousy - H#2 sound! Therefore, many more entries reach editors for publicaton. The rejection rate did not increase, however.)

Plagiarism would be more substantial, if world-class problems were copied. Who, however, would dare to mirror the first Babson or the first Roman or the top problems by Vukcevich, Caillaud, Rehm, or many others who entered the "shared memory" of our community?

Hans Gruber


 
   
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(22) Posted by Uri Avner [Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 22:57]; edited by Uri Avner [07-06-17]

Quote from Hans Gruber's no.21:
"Who, however, would dare to mirror the first Babson or the first Roman or the top problems by Vukcevich, Caillaud, Rehm, or many others who entered the "shared memory" of our community?"

Sorry, Hans, to bring the bad news that plagiarism doesn’t necessarily imply a clever person. So, don't be overly surprised if I tell you that well known problems by Loshinski or Kovačević (etc.) were also copied and sent for publication in Variantim.
 
   
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(23) Posted by Hans Gruber [Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 01:23]

Yes, Uri,

but I would be surprised if you would not hesitate to publish a problem, if a certain "Hans Gruber" (for instance) very surprisingly would send you a #3 a la Loshinski. And you probably would immediately recognize the Loshinski. Similar for other top composers. OK, it might happen, but it is much more plausible that weak composers (or "no-composers") who deliberate want to cheat, would use mediocre problems.

And - given the case that was described a bit earlier in this list: A weak composer, with computer's help, takes a different and changes it a little bit, so that one or another solution disappears and different (weak) ones get in. I do not know the case but I would bet that this happened in H#2 (maybe H#3). But certainly not in a #3 by Loshinski, a #7 by Vukcevich, or a #11 by Rehm, or a S#3 by Avner.

Hans Gruber
 
   
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(24) Posted by Harry Fougiaxis [Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 14:07]

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OK, it might happen, but it is much more plausible that weak composers (or "no-composers") who deliberate want to cheat, would use mediocre problems.

Theoretically, yes, it is more probable that they do so, but practice has shown that all plagiarists have quite often copied well-known problems, even included in the albums. Golha's web pages about Strebkovs and Baudoin, as well as the article of the late Hans-Dieter Leiss in Die Schwalbe 103, February 1987 about Stadelmaier are quite enlightening.
 
   
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(25) Posted by Siegfried Hornecker [Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 14:33]; edited by Siegfried Hornecker [07-06-17]

By the way, I composed the following problem:

(= 2+2 )

You'll find out the stipulation yourself, don't you?

Best regards,
Raimondas Senkus
Bulvard Plagiata 0815
01248 Theeva
Latvia


just kidding; although I should still have Senkus' address somewhere. Latvia is correct. ;)
Well, I think I'll try to get it again
 
   
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(26) Posted by Hauke Reddmann [Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 14:58]

Argh! How dare you to plagiatrize my jokes before I
had even *thought* of them :-)

Hauke
 
 
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(27) Posted by Administrator [Thursday, Jun 21, 2007 11:05]

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(But what all this is doing in the "Plagiators" section??)

Perhaps posts #895 (middle paragraph), 901, 909, 911, 943, 944 and 945 should be moved to a separate thread, probably in group "General". Agree? If so, please suggest the topic title.

NOTE: posts in question moved to another thread: http://www.milanvel.net/pub/start.php?px=1182432546&app=forum&act=posts&fid=gen&tid=172
 
   
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(28) Posted by Hauke Reddmann [Thursday, Jun 21, 2007 11:08]

Elementary, my dear Avner. You just noticed a well known phenomenon:
"Thread drift". Since we're not on USENET here, we also can't
"spawn" with a new Subject: header.

Hauke

NOTE: posts in question moved to another thread: http://www.milanvel.net/pub/start.php?px=1182432546&app=forum&act=posts&fid=gen&tid=172
 
 
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(29) Posted by Uri Avner [Thursday, Jun 21, 2007 12:40]

Good idea, dear Administrator!
As for the title, what about "Album Threshold Mysteries"?

NOTE: posts in question moved to another thread: http://www.milanvel.net/pub/start.php?px=1182432546&app=forum&act=posts&fid=gen&tid=172
 
   
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(30) Posted by Hans Gruber [Saturday, Jul 7, 2007 14:46]

Hi all,

this article might be of interest.

Author: Anonymous (probably editor-in-chief Gaspar J. Perrone)
Source: Mirador (Vol. II, No. 16, VI/2005, p. 185)
Original language: Spanish ("La Autoria")
Translation (same source): Chris J. Feather

Authorship

In reality the whole of this note is a statement of the obvious, but it appears necessary, since in these utilitarian times of ours there often seems to be some sort of confusion between the ideas of "authorship" and "authors' rights".

Property and entitlements may be disposed of, i.e. their ownership can be transferred to someone else, with or without the imposition of conditions.

The authorship (of something) is not a property or a right, it is the manifestation of an ability; as such is inherent in the individual, and consequently inalienable. Authorship can give rise to entitlements, for example in connection with the commercial exploitation of a work, and these entitlements can of course be transferred, but that does not mean that authorship itself is transferable.

Claiming to be the author of something, when one is not, constitutes an act of imposture, a deception practised on society in order to obtain honours which one has not deserved.

The genuine author may be the victim or the accomplice of the impostor. He is a victim when he is unaware of the imposture of if he is aware of it but powerless against it. He is an accomplice when he deliberately tolerates or assists the imposture; here there ma be an excuse or attenuating circumstances, as for example in the case of writers who allow others to sign their work in return for payment because they are in need.

Society too may take the role of victim or accomplice, and the latter applies when one sector of society, not taken in by the deception, fails to create suitable means of saving the remainder of society from the deception.

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hg hg
 
   
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(31) Posted by Siegfried Hornecker [Friday, Feb 22, 2008 15:23]

Dear Mr. Golha,

the problems of Jean-Francois Baudoin are more economical than the originals. This leads to the possible conclusions:

1. He just doesn't know he has to submit it as "name X, source Y, version by Jean-Francois Baudoin"
2. He composed it without knowing the predecessors

I made the mistake (in 1) also once when I started. However, the editor also greatly helped by cutting of the line "after X". Maybe I should have included the original at that time.

Anyway. About 3 percent of my studies are anticipated - and I didn't check everything. Possible that there are more anticipations.

Here's an example of a study I composed which was published. I only found the anticipation later when viewing through all Kalandadze studies.

(= 4+6 )

SH, Schach, January 2005

Anticipated by:
(= 5+4 )

Velimir Kalandadze, Hastings tourney, EG, 1996, 6th honoring mention
 
   
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(32) Posted by Harry Fougiaxis [Friday, Feb 22, 2008 15:51]

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The problems of Jean-Francois Baudoin are more economical than the originals. This leads to the possible conclusions:

1. He just doesn't know he has to submit it as "name X, source Y, version by Jean-Francois Baudoin"
2. He composed it without knowing the predecessors

You are probably joking, aren't you? Please check in WinChloe again : 9 out of 10 of "his compositions" are practically photo-copies of earlier works.
 
   
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(33) Posted by Siegfried Hornecker [Friday, Feb 22, 2008 15:53]

Pardon, didn't check there, only read the last entries on Golha's page.
 
 
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(34) Posted by seetharaman kalyan [Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 12:24]

Of course Pankrietive's problem is quite inferior and anticipated. But I am not sure if it is a case of plagiarism.
 
 
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