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| | Page: [Previous] [Next] 1 2 3 | | (41) Posted by Marjan Kovačević [Thursday, Oct 15, 2015 18:49] |
Anatoliy Vasylenko asked me to present his opinions (translated by A. Frolkin):
Those who lived under socialism know that there used to be shops with two entrance doors: one for the common people and another for the privileged party “nomenklatura.” Therefore, to me the decision to have a “second entrance door” to the FIDE Album via the WCCI seems to be similar to getting back to our “macabre past” and so I regard it as the WFCC’s most unwise and antidemocratic decision; and I do support those who are of the opinion that it should immediately be revoked.
Also, I would like to note that the post in question was written by a person who had only one entry in the 2010-2012 FIDE Album and the problem went in through the WCCI “door.”
In the event of revocation, many composers are likely to “lose their wish” to participate in the WCCI with just 1-3 problems.
Limiting the number of entries to 4 is also the right thing to do.
Firstly, those not just intending to participate in the WCCI but also harboring some hopes for a high place must prepare their individual package for the competition in advance.
Secondly, we must realize that the less time is spent by a judge on entries from low-qualified composers, the more time will be spent by the judge on scrutinizing compositions in the packages of contenders for high places – and this is more important for the WCCI.
Moreover, I would like to propose that the WCCI award be limited to a final pool of 10-12 participants (like in a lot of other sports), but that all point-scoring problems from those 10-12 participants be published in a booklet.
Examining that booklet would be equally useful for those who focus on composition as an art as well as for those who consider it to be a form of sport.
And thirdly, while in FIDE Albums the competition is among compositions, the WCCI is a competition among composers. For a FIDE Album, the absolute value is essential, while for the WCCI the relative value is what matters the most. As you can see, here we have a difference in goals as well as in the use of the same instrument. How can it all be mixed up in one box?
| | | (42) Posted by Darko Šaljić [Thursday, Oct 15, 2015 20:38]; edited by Darko Šaljić [15-10-15] |
And our present is so good now, our countries are so free and full of democracy (SRB, RUS, UKR..),
that we need more than 10 doors for all those who want to escape.
What I'm much more afraid of and reminds me of our "glorious" past is autocracy by the few big authorities who makes decisions on behalf of all.
Also, it is necessary to be a "great composer" to be allowed to express yourself.
I think all of us insignificant should left to giants to fight for they immortality through numbers and titles.
| | | (43) Posted by Hauke Reddmann [Friday, Oct 16, 2015 18:26] |
+1 for Branislav, especially since I'm a scientist myself
and know that there are enough universities (etc.) who
measure by sheer blowout. (In science, we DO have things
like impact factors, though. Whether this makes things
better, let alone fairer, is up to discussion.)
| | | (44) Posted by Ian Shanahan [Friday, Oct 16, 2015 18:58] |
"No apologies from me. Because everything I wrote is correct." - Sergiy Didukh.
Of course! Your breathtaking arrogance precludes the possibility of you offering a humble apology. I wish you would return to the world of Studies, and stay there.
| | | (45) Posted by Anatolii Vasylenko [Friday, Oct 16, 2015 20:51] |
Darko, I am far from politics; I can only assess UKR and I don’t know what prevents SRB, in the absence of a neighbor like RUS, from moving towards democracy. You are absolutely right, however, in that the WCCI is not a competition for the likes of me and you, but for “great composers.” And that is how it should be! Someone claiming to be a “great composer” should prove this in other competitions; fortunately, there is a lot of them.
| | | (46) Posted by Darko Šaljić [Friday, Oct 16, 2015 21:10]; edited by Darko Šaljić [15-10-16] |
Anatolii,
I don't like politics too but I want to know how one small group of problemists can change rules of such important competition in only few days of WCCC in the name of whole problem world. So it is more question of rights and fer play.
I have no ambition to become WCh but as I sad, it was nice to try to have best problem of the period and to see them on last pages of the award. I had to chances for that and now I have one. But, never mind. I still have The Problemist and BCPS with mission to "promote the knowledge and enjoyment of chess composition", the most important and only values for me.
| | | (47) Posted by Miodrag Mladenović [Friday, Oct 16, 2015 23:58] |
I do not want to talk about politics. I do not know how my original post went this way. I only wanted to discuss the decision that’s in my opinion bad but without offending somebody. There is no need for that. We should be exchanging an ideas through this form and not fight each other.
However, although both Marjan and Darko are my good friends I have to admit that Darko is right. Few people at congress made decision without consulting other problemists. Of course I do not agree with his post where he offended them, this was wrong and he apologized. I also do agree with Marjan that this is wrong format and I'd prefer to have WCCI more like WCCT competition where problemists are sending originals and judges are judging problems without knowing names.
@Sergiy Didukh
You mentioned that you would like to save your time when judging problems. I analyzed endgame entries at previous WCCI. There were 224 entries all together. There were 6 problems that should be removed when this new rule applied. So instead 224 entries you would have to judge 218 entries (2.7% less problems). In reality I think that this will just add more work to judges. Some problemists will publish some lower quality problems just to fulfill the required number of problems. So you will have more work because of this new rule.
By looking into previous WCCI the total number of problems that would be removed is 5.8% (129 from 2213). Generally I bet that this time will be much more problems to judge because problemists will be publishing low quality problems.
By the way, KHACHATUROV Sergey took 23rd place (among 61 problemists) with three problems only in #2 section. He was ranked in front of 24 problemists with 4 or more problems. Does it looks OK to you to eliminate him from WCCI completion just because he composed 3 twomovers during 3 year period?
@Sergiy,
I know Darko for many years and although he does not produces a lot of problems I do always enjoy when he is showing them. Although you are an endgame World Champion it does not mean that you are an expert in twomovers too. By the way the Darko’s problem that made FA is an excellent problem and I am sure it would be selected even during the regular selection process.
| | | (48) Posted by Sergiy Didukh [Saturday, Oct 17, 2015 19:17] |
@Miodrag M.
No, I didn't write that I would like to save my time when judging problems. I am ready to spend much more time than any other judge, but I don't want to waste a second of it on the guaranteed losers who participate with less than 4 problems. Thanks to David G. and Marjan K. there won't be such losers in the upcoming WCCI. So, if you still have any complaints about the adopted requirement adress them to your friend Marjan K. who voted for it. I gave you the reasons why I approve this requirement, and it's your problem if you can't understand my arguments correctly.
@Marjan K.
You'd better not promote your idea about the new format in the WCCI because the champions must be those who composed the best problems during the last years and not the lucky winners in a thematic tourney. Believe me, the level of WCCT in studies section is very bad. My winning study is bad too, though one of the best in the tourney.
@Ian S.
Have you been bitten by a mad kangaroo? Or you just can't stand arrogant people like me? I need your answer in order to direct you to the right doctor.
| | | (49) Posted by Sarah Hornecker [Saturday, Oct 17, 2015 20:27] |
Dear Sergiy,
I am one of the pathetic losers who has created a lot of small studies, but rarely a masterpiece, and if I did so, then rarely alone. Am I supposed to disgrace myself by sending in with one good studies three bad ones, just to see the reception for the good one, to give it a second chance for the FIDE Album, wasting essentially everyone's time?
Yes, I am a loser. I have very much failed at everything except chess composition. I am still not a billionaire, I am not the leader of my country, I did not even marry or have children. I will not leave anything lasting when my time is up, except maybe a handful of good studies that can be reprinted. Most is average or below. And yet, I believe that wherever I have been and you have been walking the sands of this Earth, if you present this attitude, then you will have less admirers than I have. For you the studies will be admired, but for me the character. You can impress a man with your work, but you destroy this with your attitude. Maybe I am even more arrogant now than you. You might have succeeded in where I failed, but you lost something more important to it: Your humility.
Is chess really everything for you? Is it worth insulting people you never even met? If so, then no, I would not want to be you, not even for a day. I am radical, I am shocking, I am disgusting, all of that is right, and I have no right to judge you. But in the end, you will be your own judge, and I see that you are able to give a fair judgment. Do you believe that your behavior causes more good or more bad for people? I believe in the case of your last posting it was more bad. You left the path of constructive discussion, and you steered towards personal insults. This is what I can not tolerate without giving my rebuttal.
Take this advice from someone who might be physically younger than you but most likely learnt more hard lessons than you would expect: Your best path of action now is to calm down, and when you have calmed down, then apologize and come back to a constructive style of discussion.
Yes, you might feel insulted by what I wrote above, but this is what I perceive of your writing, and it is not meant as an insult but as a criticism.
| | | (50) Posted by Rauf Aliovsadzade [Saturday, Oct 17, 2015 21:10] |
Siegfried,
I am fully on your side!
This posting of yours left a deep impression on me!
We still have to learn how to be nice to each other!
Some people need it more than others.
| | | (51) Posted by Sergiy Didukh [Saturday, Oct 17, 2015 21:57]; edited by Sergiy Didukh [15-10-17] |
@Siegfried
I don't need advice from a loser. You don't even have respect for yourself. You are pitiful.
| | | (52) Posted by Darko Šaljić [Saturday, Oct 17, 2015 22:26] |
This "man" is a problem himself.
Don't try to solve IT, it is unsound.
| | | (53) Posted by Sergiy Didukh [Sunday, Oct 18, 2015 07:38] |
It's a very wise reply, Darko.
Now that everybody is in the mood to tell the truth and not hide it behind polite words I'd like to hear what you think about another decision at the congress - the decision to create the committee on ethics. G.Evseev explained this decision by the fact that for the second time the delegates had to waste their time on the personal conflicts among the composers but there weren't any guidelines on such cases.
The conflict in question was the protest of Mr.Afek against me being the judge in the WCCI. He didn't like my critical comments of the awarded studies in the World Cup 2015 where he was a judge. http://didok.moyblog.net/2015/03/28/кубок-фиде-разбор-полетов/
I think that only a person not used to critical comments can consider them as ungrounded. But the suggestion to remove me as a judge was made and the delegates discussed it. They didn't come to a verdict because they didn't want to hurt Mr'Afek feelings and ashame him for his childish protest. His hopes for my removal just couldn't be realised because strong composers appreciate my studies and expert opinions a lot. So, the delegates came up with this poor half-decision about creation of the Committee on ethics. I think this was a suggestion of Mr.Evseev who is afraid to make any decisions. I'd rather replace him by Afek, he has guts and is less conservative.
| | | (54) Posted by Darko Šaljić [Sunday, Oct 18, 2015 07:55] |
I'm not proud of it,Sergiy.
It seems that many things are happening behind the curtain and problemist who do not participate in the congress do not know anything about it. If money is at stake we would know the reason, and it seems that it is a pure vanity and desire for control.
| | | (55) Posted by Ian Shanahan [Sunday, Oct 18, 2015 08:55]; edited by Ian Shanahan [15-10-20] |
@Didukh
"Or you just can't stand arrogant people like me?"
Correct. But I don't need any directing to a doctor for this 'ailment' (which is, actually, a virtue). Perhaps YOU would benefit from a much-needed trip to a psychiatrist?
PS: Sadly, it is precisely because of odious creatures like you, who routinely assail colleagues with personal insults, that the WFCC has found it necessary to establish an Ethics Committee.
| | | (56) Posted by ioannis kalkavouras [Sunday, Oct 18, 2015 10:50] |
@ Mr Didukh
I can fully understand you. It's a lot easier, nowadays, to be a cretin than a human being. Keep up the good work!
| | | (57) Posted by seetharaman kalyan [Sunday, Oct 18, 2015 13:00] |
Everyone has made their point. I think this thread can be closed.
| | | (58) Posted by Juraj Lörinc [Sunday, Oct 18, 2015 15:57] |
In a most polite way I would like to experess my opinion in two points:
1. I have criticized WFCC decision to include WCCI problems with 8+ points into FIDE Album from the beginning. Perhaps this cannot be changed for this cycle, but it should be cancelled from cycle 2016-2018 on. Some of the arguments were put forward in this thread, so I just add my voice to this bunch of voices.
2. Once upon a time, until I began participating on the international scene, I have heard not really appreciating comments on some PCCC (at that time) decisions. My own experience have taught me that the comments were correct - scandalous decision about the 8th WCCT has finished it for me. Since then I simply accept that PCCC/WFCC is composed of somehow mandated people, deciding by their own feelings and often I would not like their decisions. But I can live with that - I even participate in WFCC activities, either as composer or as judge, I simply try to concentrate on the matters and not on rules or even politics.
3. It is always worth trying to change things. Sometimes mandated hear the voice of the world. But being impolite is not advisable, if you care about others.
| | | (59) Posted by Hauke Reddmann [Monday, Oct 19, 2015 22:48] |
When I was a kid, I read Jonathan Swifts (unabridged!)
"Gulliver". I couldn't understand why two countries
could go to war over the "right" way to open an egg.
A learned adult, I understand now that it was a satire
and such can never happen in real life. ;-)
(also voting for closing the thread)
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